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Re: The Big Melt 2 years, 4 months ago #5308

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Occam wrote:
A new analysis of the Northern Hemisphere's "albedo feedback" over a 30-year period concludes that the region's loss of reflectivity due to snow and sea ice decline is more than double what state-of-the-art climate models estimate.


Yep, we've been telling you for years that the climate models are terrible. Glad to see you are now finding your own data to confirm that the models have absolutely no idea what the climate will be 10, 20, or 2000 years from now. The system is simply too complex and too poorly understood to model with any accuracy.
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Re: The Big Melt 2 years, 4 months ago #5483

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-15* here this morning...burrrr...-30* windchill....more burrrrrrr.

Well after seeing the record low for today I guess I will have to rethink my position on GW. -32* in 1888. Hum......rethinking....rethinking.....RETHINKING............NOT!!!!

burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr:sick:
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Re: The Big Melt 2 years, 4 months ago #5602

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What kind of corn stove do you have, Occam? I have a SAR 200s.


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Re: The Big Melt 2 years, 4 months ago #5741

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A pretty good article (considering the source) regarding how the warming arctic might be affecting lower latitudes. Complete with disclaimers and admissions that no one really knows which is very refreshing.

www.nytimes.com/2011/01/25/science/earth...?pagewanted=2&hp


The deeper issue is whether this pattern is linked to the rapid changes that global warming is causing in the Arctic, particularly the drastic loss of sea ice. At least two prominent climate scientists have offered theories suggesting that it is. But many others are doubtful, saying the recent events are unexceptional, or that more evidence over a longer period would be needed to establish a link.


Wow, the NYT giving voice to the doubters. Has Hades frozen over?


Dr. Overland acknowledges that his idea is tentative and needs further research. Many other climate scientists are not convinced, saying that a two-year span, however unusual, is not much on which to base a new theory. “We haven’t got sufficient insight to make definitive claims,” said Kevin Trenberth, head of climate analysis at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo.


And another honest appraisal. Weird!


In interviews, several scientists recalled that in the decade ending in the mid-1990s, the polar vortex seemed to be strengthening, not weakening, producing mild winters in the eastern United States and western Europe.

At the time, some climate scientists wrote papers attributing that change to global warming. Newspapers, including this one, printed laments for winter lost. But soon after, the apparent trend went away, an experience that has made many researchers more cautious.


OK, well that's progress in my book. A little dose of humble pie never hurts.
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Re: The Big Melt 2 years, 3 months ago #6042

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What is needed here is a colorful graphic for the effect of the negative Arctic Oscillation



earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=48882&src=imgrss

and it looks like it is expected to end soon, ie. go positive.

Last Edit: 2 years, 3 months ago by Occam.

Re: The Big Melt 2 years, 3 months ago #6090

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Hidden Plumbing' Helps Slow Greenland Ice Flow: Hotter Summers May Actually Slow Down Flow of Glaciers
ScienceDaily (Jan. 26, 2011) — Hotter summers may not be as catastrophic for the Greenland ice sheet as previously feared and may actually slow down the flow of glaciers, according to new research.

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/01/110126131538.htm

Hmmm, maybe the IPCC glacier melt projections are not excessively conservative afterall.
Last Edit: 2 years, 3 months ago by Occam.

Re: The Big Melt 2 years, 3 months ago #6152

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Occam wrote:
What is needed here is.....

an answer to the Burning Question.
Just how is the place where you reside heated, Occam?
Electric, Propane, Natural Gas or Biomass?
Will you continue to evade the Question?
HF
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Re: The Big Melt 2 years, 3 months ago #6154

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He is the house pet

He doesn't have to answer our questions
Paradoxical Quote of The Day From Ben Stein:

"Fathom the Hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured.... but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.
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Re: The Big Melt 2 years, 3 months ago #6156

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Sting wrote:
He is the house pet

He doesn't have to answer our questions


"try to be the person your dog thinks you are"

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Re: The Big Melt 2 years, 3 months ago #6163

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Harrison Fire wrote:
Occam wrote:
What is needed here is.....

an answer to the Burning Question.
Just how is the place where you reside heated, Occam?
Electric, Propane, Natural Gas or Biomass?
Will you continue to evade the Question?
HF


Obviously he heats with................Friction............yes from all of us that question his ability to respond to questions or facts that fly in the face of his beliefs.
It warms him from his fingers touching the computer, to his low efficiency heart, where the residual heat finally tries to melt his frozen brain.
"Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!" Gen "Buck" Turgidson

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