Welcome, Guest

Gore Admits He Was Wrong About Ethanol Subsidies:
(1 viewing) (1) Guest

TOPIC: Gore Admits He Was Wrong About Ethanol Subsidies:

Gore Admits He Was Wrong About Ethanol Subsidies: 2 years, 6 months ago #572

www.theblaze.com/stories/gore-admits-he-...ies-not-good-policy/


Politics
Gore Admits He Was Wrong About Ethanol Subsidies: ‘Not Good Policy’
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 9:27am by Jonathon M. Seidl Print » Email » Former Vice President Al Gore is admitting that he was wrong about “first generation” ethanol subsidies, calling them “not good policy” and admitting his support of them were clouded by his presidential ambitions.

From Reuters:

“It is not a good policy to have these massive subsidies for (U.S.) first generation ethanol,” said Gore, speaking at a green energy business conference in Athens sponsored by Marfin Popular Bank.

“First generation ethanol I think was a mistake. The energy conversion ratios are at best very small.

“It’s hard once such a programme is put in place to deal with the lobbies that keep it going.”

He explained his own support for the original programme on his presidential ambitions.

“One of the reasons I made that mistake is that I paid particular attention to the farmers in my home state of Tennessee, and I had a certain fondness for the farmers in the state of Iowa because I was about to run for president.”

Gore also said that rising food prices could be fueled by the ethanol craze. “The competition with food prices is real,” he said.

But Gore didn’t give up on a fuel subsidies altogether. Instead, he supports technology that extracts fuel from other things such as wood and grass. He called that process “second and third generation” ethanol, and supports it because he says it won’t compete with food.

UPDATE:

As Noel Sheppard over at NewsBusters reminds us, “Gore was the tie-breaking vote in the Senate mandating the use of ethanol in 1994.”

Sheppard shares his thoughts:

So more than ten years ago, Gore supported an expensive, “not good policy” because he thought it would help him get elected president.

Yet media don‘t believe he’d misrepresent the threat of manmade global warming in order to become extremely rich.

UPDATE II:

As Hot Air’s Ed Morrissey points out, a 2005 Slate report shows that the next generation of ethanol production as touted by Gore is just as expensive as the “old” kind:

David Pimentel, a professor of ecology at Cornell University who has been studying grain alcohol for 20 years, and Tad Patzek, an engineering professor at the University of California, Berkeley, co-wrote a recent report that estimates that making ethanol from corn requires 29 percent more fossil energy than the ethanol fuel itself actually contains.

The two scientists calculated all the fuel inputs for ethanol production—from the diesel fuel for the tractor planting the corn, to the fertilizer put in the field, to the energy needed at the processing plant—and found that ethanol is a net energy-loser. According to their calculations, ethanol contains about 76,000 BTUs per gallon, but producing that ethanol from corn takes about 98,000 BTUs. For comparison, a gallon of gasoline contains about 116,000 BTUs per gallon. But making that gallon of gas—from drilling the well, to transportation, through refining—requires around 22,000 BTUs.

In addition to their findings on corn, they determined that making ethanol from switch grass requires 50 percent more fossil energy than the ethanol yields, wood biomass 57 percent more, and sunflowers 118 percent more. The best yield comes from soybeans, but they, too, are a net loser, requiring 27 percent more fossil energy than the biodiesel fuel produced. In other words, more ethanol production will increase America’s total energy consumption, not decrease it. [Emphasis added]
__________________________________
U.S. Stove 6039 [Former Burner]

Any government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have.
-Thomas Jefferson
Last Edit: 2 years, 6 months ago by Stove Hacker.

Re: Gore Admits He Was Wrong About Ethanol Subsidies: 2 years, 6 months ago #587

  • B-Mod
  • OFFLINE
  • Expert Burner
  • Posts: 583
  • Karma: 14
Is anybody in our Govmnt reading this stuff??????
One of the early Quadrafire Castile's
Bixby 115
KC-cornburners Boiler

Re: Gore Admits He Was Wrong About Ethanol Subsidies: 2 years, 6 months ago #600

  • rona
  • OFFLINE
  • Knowledge Dangerous
  • Posts: 371
  • Karma: 4
Gore will say anything to make money.
The following user(s) said Thank You: olger

Re: Gore Admits He Was Wrong About Ethanol Subsidies: 2 years, 6 months ago #601

The whole "Green" movement has made him a very rich man.
__________________________________
U.S. Stove 6039 [Former Burner]

Any government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have.
-Thomas Jefferson

Re: Gore Admits He Was Wrong About Ethanol Subsidies: 2 years, 6 months ago #611

  • hmve
  • OFFLINE
  • Firestarter
  • Posts: 112
  • Karma: 2

Re: Gore Admits He Was Wrong About Ethanol Subsidies: 2 years, 6 months ago #636

  • B-Mod
  • OFFLINE
  • Expert Burner
  • Posts: 583
  • Karma: 14
That was great! I passed it on to a few friends.........
One of the early Quadrafire Castile's
Bixby 115
KC-cornburners Boiler

Re: Gore Admits He Was Wrong About Ethanol Subsidies: 2 years, 5 months ago #1154

drill baby drill!

trash the planet!

Re: Gore Admits He Was Wrong About Ethanol Subsidies: 2 years, 5 months ago #1218

  • Binford
  • OFFLINE
  • Knowledge Dangerous
  • Posts: 174
  • Karma: 1
xracer wrote:
drill baby drill!

trash the planet!


If people would quite have so many kids there wouldn't be the necessity to "drill baby drill". It is all about supply and demand. This earth can only support so many. Just about everything that is used in our daily lives is manufactured from oil in some way or another. That computer your sitting at right now has a number of parts made from oil. Here is a partial list. www.pbs.org/independentlens/classroom/wwo/petroleum.pdf

www.geography-site.co.uk/pages/citizenship/oil_products.html

My wife and I have one child. The state that I live in people tend to have a slew of kids, and then gripe about the school system. These people pay into the public school system the same amount as I, or even those with no children.

My point is that this world can only support so many, eventually like everything else it is going to bleed to death.

Re: Gore Admits He Was Wrong About Ethanol Subsidies: 2 years, 5 months ago #1221

Wow

I didn't realize my post about Ethanol would turn into a "trash the planet; population control" rant.

Sorry I opened that can of worms.
__________________________________
U.S. Stove 6039 [Former Burner]

Any government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have.
-Thomas Jefferson
Last Edit: 2 years, 5 months ago by Stove Hacker.

Re: Gore Admits He Was Wrong About Ethanol Subsidies: 2 years, 5 months ago #1229

  • B-Mod
  • OFFLINE
  • Expert Burner
  • Posts: 583
  • Karma: 14
I know, I posted this story on another site, and it turned into a bog political nightmare, I had to delete it. I read the story, and looked at it from the corn/ethanol, side of things.........
One of the early Quadrafire Castile's
Bixby 115
KC-cornburners Boiler
Time to create page: 0.73 seconds
Best free joomla themes