JDeere I agree with you completely on the free market and the investors chance at making a dollar. It has been pointed out before that the fund managers had as much to do with the runup in the price of corn in 2008 as the use for ethanol. It just gets me when everyone wants to blame ethanol for high corn and food prices when its not the case. Regardless of all that we shouldn't have to seel corn for the same we did in the 70's and 80's. I dont know anyone else working for wages from 25 years ago when all of their costs have more then doubled.

Occam wrote:


LOL! Let the Spin begin; all predicted by climate scientists no doubt? Meteorologists understand the AO quite well; no need to wait for back pedaling.

Where were the predictions for increasing snow and cold during NH winter? There weren't any, it was just the opposite; they make it up as they go along. I told you temperatures were going to crash and by March you'd be singing a different tune; wow was I wrong about that, it's only the second week of January and the spin cycle on High.

There is nothing unusual or outside natural variation going on despite how many alarmist news articles quoting agenda driven scientists. The hype today is no different than the 70s ice age scare, just infinitely more funding to sell the stories. Where is the evidence to support a death spiral of the Arctic? Opinions really aren't all that meaningful especially when the same ones were telling us snow would be a thing of the past.

Data Analysis of Recent Warming Pattern in the Arctic



You do realize the Arctic SAT during melt season are dropping? How can that be? There is zero direct evidence that CO2 has any connection to Arctic weather/climate. Also, if the Arctic is at the "tipping point", why isn't OHC increasing? In fact it has been steady from 65N-90 and falling in the Arctic circle (82N-90) in recent years. Arctic warming is not "accelerating" nor "unprecedented" as AGW proponents like to say.
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Also, it may be helpful to study the various ocean/atmosphere processes that actually affect earth's climate that can be measured. Comparing CO2 to the oceans is like pitting a ballerina against a sumo wrestler in a cage match.

The AMO (ocean) is at or near peaking. What makes anyone think the curve will continue upward?


BTW, climate disruption is now out. The new PC term is climate challenge. Spread the word.

Xracer is back!
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xracer wrote:


Terrific post xracer!!

So tornado alley moving hundreds of miles north isn't unusual? Or the fact we are seeing record snowfalls all over the US? Oh wait that is just "normal" climate variability according to you

As usually go off target, but today was listening to Mn Public Radio. Was about the new battery/dual cars, etc. A caller asked abut his Honda Civic which he traded in for a new similar size Honda battery/dual car. He asked how can he justify the new car when he got 39 MPg on his old Civic, and the new supposidly latest technology car get 39 MPG also! Reply was dead silence? Makes you wonder hey? Also I wonder what we are going to do with the batteries (Lithium) when they go out in 8-10 years and need to be replaced? What are the costs of the batteries? More questions than answers.

upnort wrote:


The caller bought the car, so why is he asking the radio host to justify it? Kind of late to be asking now, I'd say. Maybe it is because a 2000 Civic actually got 25 mpg in the city while the new Civic Hybrid gets 40mpg. If you drive 10K miles a year in the city that is a savings of 150 gallons a year or $480/yr now. The new Civic Hybrid also gets about 10 mpg more on the highway. So at 3000 more highway miles that is maybe another 25 gallons a year saved - so about $550/yr or $5500 total over ten years and about 15 fewer metric tons of CO2 spewed into the atmosphere. Whether that is something you value or not is up to you.

automobiles.honda.com/civic-hybrid/specifications.aspx
www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2000_Honda_Civic.shtml

The hybrid batteries are not Li ion, they are nickle metal hydride. The batteries are designed to last the life of the car and are warranted beyond any other part in the car. Lead is more toxic than nickel and lithium is least problematic environmentaly. Toyota states, "Every part of the battery, from the precious metals to the plastic, plates, steel case and the wiring, is recycled." Honda collects the battery and transfers it to a preferred recycler to follow their prescribed process: disassembling and sorting the materials; shredding the plastic material; recovering and processing the metal; and neutralizing the alkaline material before sending it to a landfill. Li batteries will also be recycled but there are programs investigating using used batteries for electric power storage before they are ultimately recycled.

jdeere5220 wrote:




Ha, we know better. The frequency and intensity of these severe weather events is growing as predicted by the IPCC. Right now we have the Australian deluge as the lastest example, only months after their dust bowl and the Pakistan flood. A 1C rise in ocean temperature is an astronomical amount of energy and the vast increase in atmospheric water vapor provides all the potential energy you need to drive these kinds of severe weather events.

Scientists see climate change link to Australian floods
www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE70B1XF20110112

You think this is getting bad? Just wait 20 years. Locally, the loss of the northern icecap is going to play havoc with our weather.

Well, if some have their way we won't have to worry about the accuracy of those IPCC reports much longer......

www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/03/01/house...nding-climate-group/

Somebody should hand Luetkemeyer a rope and instructions on how to use it. It's faster.