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Re: Federal Debt 1 year, 5 months ago #12554

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What we really need is a new definition of "Rich". From what I have seen and heard it should be defined as those who pay taxes and those who do not. To be specific we always hear about the 1% rich. I say that when they ask the 1% to pay more taxes, there is always a compromise and as we have seen Obama first to use the $250,000 limit, and now I think he has reduced that to $200,000 limit of taxing the rich. This seems to me to incorporate more "Rich" into the mix. As a matter of who actually gets their taxes raised I seem to see always everyone who pays taxes gets them raised. That being said it has been quoted that 46% of the people do not pay Federal Income Tax to the IRS. Surprising to me that means 54% of Taxpayers are paying for all the Government Programs. I assume (My take) that the 46% get benefits by not working and paying. Easy math here, is that if you do not work and get Fed Benefits you are making more money per hour than anyone working and paying taxes. While this may be an extreme view, seems to follow the numbers I see in the Media all the time. So 1/2 of taxpayers pay for 100% of the Fed Taxes. Is this fair to only focus on the 1%?

Re: Federal Debt 1 year, 5 months ago #12555

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Can I mention sales taxes, gas taxes, social security taxes? How do you get out of paying those?

Re: Federal Debt 1 year, 5 months ago #12558

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No problem Mary, I probably did not say "Federal Income Tax" as that what I was referring to with the 46% who do not Pay Federal Taxes. I do agree there is pay into Sales Taxes (State Taxes) SS (Is this technically not a Federal Tax? It seems to be off the Budget when they discuss Budget. (Could be intrepreted as a tax but if you do not work do you pay SS? (Yes if you somehow do not qualify for Tax Payment) Gas tax is a State and Federal TAx I agree. However I was Specifically referring to Federal Income Tax.

Re: Federal Debt 1 year, 5 months ago #12577

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And the number of people who get a full refund of their taxes is a sign of falling wages and a collapsing economy. I also suggest you go look at this xcel spreadsheet from the IRS that shows your 46% is bull**** Tax stats from the IRS

Re: Federal Debt 1 year, 5 months ago #12738

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Re: Federal Debt 1 year, 5 months ago #12740

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Re: Federal Debt 11 months, 3 weeks ago #15557

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Rootwitch wrote:



Great article. He is saying just what I have been saying, but with the credibility that comes with being a high profile billonaire entrepreneur.

That’s why I can say with confidence that rich people don’t create jobs, nor do businesses, large or small. What does lead to more employment is the feedback loop between customers and businesses. And only consumers can set in motion a virtuous cycle that allows companies to survive and thrive and business owners to hire. An ordinary middle-class consumer is far more of a job creator than I ever have been or ever will be.
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Re: Federal Debt 11 months, 2 weeks ago #15561

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Occam wrote:
Rootwitch wrote:




That’s why I can say with confidence that rich people don’t create jobs, nor do businesses, large or small. What does lead to more employment is the feedback loop between customers and businesses. And only consumers can set in motion a virtuous cycle that allows companies to survive and thrive and business owners to hire. An ordinary middle-class consumer is far more of a job creator than I ever have been or ever will be.


If the average American family still got the same share of income they earned in 1980, they would have an astounding $13,000 more in their pockets a year. It’s worth pausing to consider what our economy would be like today if middle-class consumers had that additional income to spend.


Consider, for example, that a puny 3 percent surtax on incomes above $1 million would be enough to maintain and expand the current payroll tax cut beyond December, preventing a $1,000 increase on the average worker’s taxes at the worst possible time for the economy. With a few more pennies on the dollar, we could invest in rebuilding schools and infrastructure. And even if we imposed a millionaires’ surtax and rolled back the Bush- era tax cuts for those at the top, the taxes on the richest Americans would still be historically low, and their incomes would still be astronomically high.
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Re: Federal Debt 11 months, 2 weeks ago #15564

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Great Recession erased nearly 40% of family wealth


The Federal Reserve said in a new report Monday that median family net worth, the point smack in the middle of those richer and poorer, fell to $77,300 in 2010 from $126,400 three years earlier after adjusting for inflation.....

...More recent quarterly data from the Fed shows Americans' net worth has increased since 2010 as the stock market has rebounded, more people have found work and housing prices have stabilized in many parts of the country. In the first quarter of this year, net worth saw its biggest gain in seven years.



www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-mo-econom...0611,0,5418853.story
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Re: Federal Debt 11 months ago #15594

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Battle Over Taxing the Rich Goes Global

www.cnbc.com/id/47947073
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