tjnamtiw wrote:
Occam wrote:
Obama, has in two years done more to reduce future energy prices than Bush did in 8 years.
Now I know why I avoid this particular forum! What have you been smoking to make a statement like that? By appointing a radical leftist to the EPA, Obummer has by proxy and his own executive orders effectively killed oil exploration and the coal industry through overregulations thereby fulfilling his promise to give us 'skyrocketing energy prices'. Gasoline prices remain twice what they were two years ago despite the fact that oil crude prices have dropped dramatically.
His equally totalitarian EPA has passed so many regulations that it is impossible to create new industries and is also crippling existing industries from being effective. You are living in a delusional dream world!
Back to more sane forums where I don't get whiplash from shaking my head in disbelief at your statements.
The difference between my statement and yours is I made a well reasoned argument based on accepted facts, you just made baseless claims. You can, however, thank deregulation for low gas prices two years ago - deregulation of the financial industry. The banks destroyed the economy, industrial activity and consumer travel which reduced demand for oil, so of course prices dropped. Nice strategy
While gas prices sored under Bush and fuel economy made no improvments, Obama's increase in fuel economy standards and investment in R&D of alternate energy will reduce demand for oil in the future and this will have more impact on energy costs than drilling in environmentaly sensitve areas.
Occam wrote:
Occam wrote:
....blindly blaming or crediting presidents for fuel prices is stupid. Its about supply and demand. Since the US only produces about 6% of the worlds oil our production level has little impact on world supply and therefore world crude prices. On the other hand we consume almost 25% of the worlds oil production so any change in that demand can have a significant impact on oil prices.
...— reductions in petroleum demand due to increased fuel efficiency in the United States helped collapse OPEC market power in 1986. So Obama's ramp up to a 54 mpg CAFE standard will be helping to hold down the rise in gasoline prices for the next 15+ years.
We would have to triple US oil production (a 12% increase in world supply) to have the same impact on oil prices as Obama's policy of doubling the vehicle mpg (a 12% decrease in world demand). Plus it's not about $/gal it's about total fuel expense. Since we will use half the fuel this will further decrease costs 50%, while increasing production has no impact on useage. And it is not economicaly possible to double US oil production, let alone triple it - even if the industry wanted to do it. But doubling the mpg is doable; even increasing mpg by a factor of 10 is eventually doable, while the long term prospect of oil extraction rates from finite reserves can only go down.
Even if it were possible to triple the USA oil production this would only deplete our relatively small oil reserves 3 times faster.
So we see it's about the math. We can't "drill baby drill" and reduce gasoline prices by more than a few nickels and we just hasten depletion of our reserves which will only reduce production faster in the long term. But the increased fuel efficiency in vehicles (which has started already) will hold down prices much more than is possible by increased US oil production and it delays the onset and the impact of a peak oil crisis.
And of course none of the above takes into account the huge savings in health and environmental costs from burning less oil or the increased environmental cost from increased drilling in sensitive areas.
"Drill Baby Drill" is "Dumb Baby Dumb".
Having said this, even if we let the oil industry drill whereever they want, assuming that world oil markets continue to work as they do today, we can expect OPEC to neutralize any potential price impact of oil production by reducing its oil exports by an equal amount.
As for Obama killing oil exploration, the same areas are open to exploration and drilling that were available under Bush.
As for Obama killing oil exploration, the same areas are open to exploration and drilling that were available under Bush.