Occam wrote:


Your right, I overstated, I apologize.

I don't believe in NO government. We need a police force, we need laws protecting individual rights and enforcement of those laws. We need a national defense. We need a basic safety net. We need regulation of interstate commerce (FAA, FCC, etc...), etc.. etc.. We need a (non-political) EPA. No questions.

My point is we don't need government telling private industry which alternative energy solutions are the best. Government can't avoid mixing politics and policy.

Here we are again with the economy threatened by our total dependence on oil.




Rising gas prices could stall U.S. recovery

By Larry Copeland, USA TODAY

Updated 3/8/2011 9:17:51 PM |
Gasoline prices across the nation rose 33 cents a gallon on average the past two weeks, prompting some analysts to fret that pump prices could soon hit the $4-a-gallon psychological barrier and stall the USA's nascent economic recovery.
www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy...gasprices08_ST_N.htm

[quote="jdeere5220" post=8830]Occam wrote:


Sure; write your posting in your word processor, spell check it, copy and paste it here.

Occam wrote:


Hmm. Shouldn't this be updated with the latest information? I think you know what that is......

www.businessinsider.com/tverberg-oil-supply-decline-2011-4#

Occam wrote:


If we continue doing things your way, we'll have peak toilet paper.

U.S. Has Earth’s Largest Energy Resources

At what cost to the environment? Where do we draw the line on dirty coal power plants? They are still trying to clean up oil from the mess in the gulf, how do they make sure it isn't going to happen again? The fishing industry in the gulf still hasn't recovered and I doubt that it ever will. There goes a food source that we have to replace.

xracer wrote:





The world consumes 30 billion barrels of oil a year which according to your chart is more than all the US proven oil reserves. And China and India are only just starting to put large numbers of cars on the road. The US's "technically" recoverable, yet undiscovered oil available at higher dollar and environmental cost is estimated at 135B barrels. That is only about a 4 year supply at current world consumption rates.

I wonder at what average price per barrel will world consumption be permanately constrained: $125, $150, $200? $4 a gallon reduced USA consumption in 2008, we are just about back to that point.

Gasoline can be manufactured for <$50/bbl equivalent oil using coal.

Clinton locked up over $1 Trillion in the largest clean coal field in Utah.

Once the public figures out they've been lied to about our available resources, politicians have sold them out and they can't afford to heat their homes, buy fuel for their cars and put food on their table, there will be hell to pay, and it won't be a few vulgar union thugs sucking off the public teet marching on Washington.

I recall you loving $6-7 gas in the old forum. You thought it would be great thing for country to punish the "polluters" so we would be forced to transition to a much "cleaner" practical mode of transportation; coal cars.