xracer wrote:


Gee Xracer, maybe they don't.

Occam wrote:


Small changes in cloud cover, even 1%, have considerable impacts on how much solar radiation reaches the surface. Ever notice when clouds shield you from the sun? You mentioned albedo, then some blather about CO2, but oddly omitted clouds. Interesting.

Can you provide a link providing evidence that clouds are modeled correctly by IPCC or any other climate model? I've been looking for at least 4 years; maybe I'm just not looking hard enough.

The following is intended for those who are interested in experimental based science over a bunch of bumpkins pulling levers on GCM's.

Clouds have 3x effect over "greenhouse gases".
is.gd/87Kj7J
and
is.gd/4TwrnV

I don't recall your thorough research skills coming across this:
is.gd/wxN6kK
or this
is.gd/9hN3qP (caution: denialist website)
is.gd/2VotOQ

Dr. Roy Spencer was skeptical of GCR, but now evidence is growing that Svensmark may be right after all.
is.gd/5unWCA

And while you preach that weather is not climate and at the same time try to link every weather event with global warming climate change climate chaos climate disruption or whatever it is you guys are calling it these days, it is noted in your haste did not post May U.S. temperature maps illustrating the "unbearable heat". Here, I'll do it for you.

It's burning up all over!


I noticed an obvious oversight in reporting the predicted "accelerating warming" occurring throughout the contiguous U.S. the last ten years, so will include that as well.
First for the month of May


And annual:


It has now been over 1000 days since the last hurricane hit landfall in the U.S.- the longest period since the Civil War. We'll all be looking forward to your weatherisnotclimate news headlines blaming this year's active hurricane season on CO2.

BTW, how is the vanishing mountain snow pack doing?

about 10 years ago i got out of my car and looked up at the sky.it was just getting dark and the sky was a brilliant orange glow.all of the clouds were lined up squares as far as i could see like a checkerboard but much bigger and longer.when i came home on the news they said it was a natural phenomenon.i thought about it and thought what in nature is square?....nothing.years later i was talking to someone about it at a farmers market.a lady said that she was in the navy and that it was them that made the clouds square.hmmm.are they messing with the weather?

I wonder if there is a conspiracy to make some people believe everything is a conspiracy. I've seen conspiracy theories that report there are conspiracies being fostered by conspiracy groups that make everything look like a conspiracy, and then people publish these conspiracies so that the people who tend to believe conspiracies buy into it and then eventually of course they will take over the world.

25 years ago the only lines in the sky were from skywriters which you never see anymore.

as the sky was orange and square blocks i was outside of best buy and there about 100 people waking in and out and no one seemed to pay attention to it but me.

get a box of arm and hammer baking soda,crest toothpaste,one a day vitamins,windex,honey nut cheerios,dole,delmonte,motts,wal*mart,finish,dawn,palmolive,
central blood bank and 100s of other
products and see if you see something in common.

There have been many contrails as far back as I can remember, the 1960s, presumably since the jet engine came into common use, so for at least 50 years. Of course there is more air traffic today, so more trails, but qualitatively I see no difference. Contrails are merely vapor condensation caused by sudden pressure change from the engine turbines or wingtips. They do affect climate though by trapping longwave radiation, similar to CO2. But they don't accumulate and the forcing would be gone in hours if the flights stopped, unlike CO2 which lingers for many decades.

Cirrocumulus clouds have a patchy rectilinear appearance and will reflect bright red and orange at sunset and sunrise. And planes flying through low level clouds will often plow a trail through them due to the warm engine exhaust and you can get a crisscross pattern from multiple flights.

If, instead, you want to believe all those airliners have chemical toxins coming out their engines and have managed to keep the thousands of mechanics, pilots, baggage handlers, FAA inspectors, atmospheric scientist and gobs of other people whom the airlines are supposedly poisoning from blowing the whistle, then you are completely out of touch with reality. You and the other climate conspirators here need to study Occam's Razor and start applying it.




Of course noone would have any reason to use a pentagon or star shaped graphic in a design except to give deference to satan.

So if some stupid satanic cult had choosen the circle as its unholy symbol then a hockey faceoff in the center rink circle would be some form of devil worship, showing a graphic of the moon would be an omage to the cult, and don't even get me going with the demonic implications of the hoolahoop and the three ring circus! OMG! Save us!

I figured Occam just slipped up in noting the unbearable heat that caused all the tornadoes in May.

xracer wrote:
No, I leave all the red herrings and strawman arguments to you.



Did you forget this graph you posted just a few days ago?

hydrogrowtech wrote:


ScienceShot: Contrails Warm the Globe
news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2011/06/s...warm-the.html?ref=hp


The white, cloudy contrails airplanes often leave in the sky may be full of ice crystals, but they're warming the globe, according to a new study. By flying in the wake of various aircraft—ranging in size from the 47-metric-ton Airbus A319 to the 508-metric-ton Airbus A380 (contrails of two Airbus A340s shown)—and analyzing their less-than-10-minute-old contrails, researchers have found that fresh contrails tend to trap outbound infrared radiation, slightly heating Earth.....

La Nina has ended; we have neutral ENSO conditions now and should continue to have them for at least the rest of the summer and so global average temperature is jumping back up to typical elevated temperatures we should expect this summer (0.3C on this scale) based on AGW models.
forum.iburncorn.com/viewtopic.php?t=11006

thru June 2011...