its not money wasted.

im an electronics tech and with everything getting smaller the ir sensor got 4 times bigger inside the dtv boxes.now i cant prove that it has camera capabilities but its perfectly set up to.when the dtv box is in the off state its using 5 watts of power and there is a bright red light on. they usually use these to see in the dark.and the red light doesnt consume 5 watts of power.also i switched boxes and changed recipts on 3 boxes. when i went to return the wrong box but identical it took them a half hour to scan it back into the computer at the store.do you know what that means? each dtv box has its own unique serial number. try this with any product. buy one at a time identical products same store switch receipts and take one back. you should have no problem.also theres no mic in them. thats in your phones that you have everywhere. look at how you no longer hang a phone up and they all face mic foward.they are recording 24 hours a day to a computer(looking for key words)(luciferian, christian)not terrorists.and can hear up to 23 feet away from the phone.also your answering machines have built in mics.as your camera cell phones that are always by your side.new laptops too and some x box. you cant buy your own dvr you have to subscibe to a provider so that they can track everything you watch.im sure this is the idea behind dtv converter boxes.

do you remember when all the people were paranoid about there vcrs watching them and tracking what tapes they watched?

Q i wonder why they weren't?

A because they weren't



jdeere5220 wrote:

If I was in charge, I would institute a regulation that all phantom loads in a home must be powered by the homeowner (or children of said homeowner) with a bicycle powered generator. Then people would care about all these appliances sucking up energy needlessly

Occam wrote:


That's your answer to everything, huh? More regulations and more taxes?

Wouldn't $500.00 / barrel oil fix it just as well? Why does it always take a new tax to fix everything?

On the light-bulb question, banning a certain type of bulb is the worst kind of government overstepping it's constitutional authority. The libs want to tell me what kind of car to drive, shoes to wear, light bulb to burn, book to read, sunscreen to use, water to drink, how many guns I can own and how much water it should take to flush my poop down the drain. It must be nice to have it all figured out not only for yourself but for everyone else too.

And I bet Occam has a 10 SEER central air unit and drives an old Ford pickup truck...lol

jdeere5220 wrote:

No, not everything - I would have thought that was obvious. But it certainly works in this case. If you have a better idea we would sure like to hear it.


jdeere5220 wrote:



They didn't ban a certain type of light bulb; they creaated an efficiency standard. Manufacturers and their customers will determine which bulbs sell. There are at least two types of bulbs out there already that meet the standard and save money over the life of the bulb and the prices of those bulbs will continue to fall dramatically over the next 5 years and performance will continue to improve. I apologize for this horrible sacrifice from you while we try to preserve our planet. But the constitution does not give you the right to do whatever the hell you want regardless of the impact on others.

If you are hell bent on wasting the money and energy that these bulbs will save and if you are so determined to pollute our atmosphere I suppose you could just burn a half ton of coal in your backyard every year.

Occam wrote:
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I thought I said it. Let the free market work. When electricity is expensive enough (without needless new taxes), people will pay more attention to not wasting it.




I'm not hell bent on wasting anything. My whole house has been using the high-energy compact fluorescent bulbs for about two years now (not the horse barn, those bulbs don't work well in the cold). My point is that it's not the job of Harry Reid to tell me what type of light bulb to use. Next he will tell me what color hair my children can have. I know you don't believe it, but governments throughout history have always gradually drifted towards dictatorship and totalitarianism and I'm not naive enough to think ours is any different.

jdeere5220 wrote:




I bought my first CF bulb a decade ago. The free market didn't work, most bulbs sold are still the inefficient kind. If it had worked we wouldn't have bothered regulating lightbulb efficiency and if people are going to make the switch anyway then the regulation is moot.

The congress is constitutionaly required to regulate interstate commerce. Unless you can keep your pollution in your state, it is their responsibility to regulate it. And they have done so, not with a tax, but a regulation which has the benefit of saving money on electricity and health care costs.

The slippery slope analogy doesn't apply here. Making a law does not neccesarily lead to dictatorship, otherwise only anarchy would be free of that threat. For there to be a slippery slope the action you take must produce a positive feedback, as in this analogy the increased inertia you get when you start sliding down a slope overcomes the shoe/ground friction more readily which makes you slide more quickly which increaes the inertia more, and so on. Making a law to regulate lightbulb efficiency does not increaes the power of the congress to make it easier to regulate your childrens hair color. In fact your childrens hair color was regulated, in a sense, in many states where inter-racial marriage was illegal. That is the government overstepping its bounds, but today we have less imposition in such affairs not more.

A positive feeback in a law that can lead to an oligarchy or dictorship is a tax law which enables a larger and larger portion of the nations wealth to go to fewer and fewer people. That is a slippery slope because as they gain wealth they gain power and influence over public opinion and over government officials which allows them to change the laws to make them even more wealthy and more powerful. Finally you have an oligarchy and can never regain the democracy without a violent revolution. That is what has been happening in the USA. That is why people feel powerless.

i was using 4 ft t-12 fluorescent bulbs 20 years ago where i could(i like the color of the light) and still am.i see that more people are buying the old bulbs again.so i asked them why? they said they cant see with cfls.????every new bulb is 2700 k at sams club ,wal*mart, home depot, lowes, and target.even the new leds are 2700 k.they say people demanded this dim color.i sure as hell didnt.if you look at the lighting in the store its not 2700 k its 5000k nice and bright.but they only sell 2700 k.it gets even better the newest bulbs dont even tell you the temp.so you will have to guess.these are less efficient if you cant see right.
so i bought all i could of the old nasty 5000 k bulbs nobody likes except me.do you know during an emp strike which they say is comming leds and cfls wont work.so it only makes sense to ban bulbs that will still work.get it? so get some old bulbs and store them away.

dont worry all your bills, taxes and costs are still going up due to hyperinflation.its part of the plan.


also i know two furnace guys around here they are replacing alot of the new 90+ gas furnaces around here there truck is full of them not old furnaces but new shiny 90+ ones.i have a new wood burning stove that needs replacement parts.our old one we had for 25 years and never replaced a thing and threw out twice the heat of the new one.

same thing with all the new cars my mechanic friend said they are junk and they cant even keep them fixed. you end up spending double what you did to fix the older cars.i see big trucks that are demolished at the first accident and never can be driven again.and these are one with frames not unibodys.

dont worry i didnt forget about the food it less efficient too all of the vitamins and nutrients are almost gone.ketchup vitamin c 0.spaghetti sauce is now in editable.it tastes like acid yet theres no vitamin c from 30% per serving down to 10%.all the food in the store is like poison in shiny packages.
everythings low fat,(per serving) sugar free(aspartame),high in fiber(cardboard)
even the fruit and vegetables are no good for you.their sprayed with poisins
stored in a ware house and sold to you void of vitamins and they taste like crap.so what your food made up is empty carbs, unhealthy fats ,msg,and poison sugars.so know wonder we dont feel as good as we once did not to long ago.so look to the pharmaceutical companys like bayer and monsanto to make you feel better with drugs like fluoride in your water system.

Once you get used to the new cfl bulbs color correction is fine. Same for light output. The human eye is very adaptable and very bright lighting is relatively new. We got by without it 100 years ago so it is something we can relearn. And no I am not saying we should go back 100 years with everything, just some things need to be looked at and changed. Right now billions are wasted on electricity to light roads and backyards and all that light does is pollute the environment. Light pollution is now being linked to some cancers and illnesses and needs to be addressed.

Light pollution is now being linked to some cancers and illnesses and needs to be addressed.

all of the old red leds were 660 nm. they found this to actually speed healing.

so they changed them to 630 nm slightly orange and made the 660nm reds a medical device now there very hard to get.i built a led light device 10 years ago but if i wanted to build the same thing today i couldnt.

Once you get used to the new cfl bulbs color correction is fine.

like i said 20 years ago i liked that color of light and i still do today.